tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2246295430976433070.post739117816514655097..comments2023-11-04T17:57:14.675-06:00Comments on Asleep No More: Emergent Monday - The Immaculate Conception May Not Mean What You Think It MeansDoug Evanshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05318930961031654937noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2246295430976433070.post-64222931270965106432018-06-22T18:22:41.403-06:002018-06-22T18:22:41.403-06:00If Mary never sinned, then how come she could not ...If Mary never sinned, then how come she could not have died on the cross for our sins?Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2246295430976433070.post-2545745920988158302016-12-12T12:18:59.540-07:002016-12-12T12:18:59.540-07:00There is a difference between what we believe as o...There is a difference between what we believe as original sin and what the Catholic church defines what is an original sin. Yes, we are tainted by sin, we have a sin nature. The council of Trent defines it: Original sin is described not only as the death of the soul (Sess. V, can. ii), but as a "privation of justice that each child contracts at its conception" (Sess. VI, cap. iii) in other words, an infant is condemned to hell at birth, and that infants only salvation lies in the RCC's belief of baptism for the remission of sins. Could this be what lead to their 'immaculate conception' dogma, because if Mary were born sinless then Jesus wouldn't contract original sin from her? <br /><br />Doug Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05318930961031654937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2246295430976433070.post-13458428661284778692016-12-12T09:21:22.190-07:002016-12-12T09:21:22.190-07:00Excellent article, lad! Way back when I heard the...Excellent article, lad! Way back when I heard the term "Immaculate Conception" I thought it referred to Jesus, and I discovered that most Protestants think the same thing! <br /><br />You might find my article about the Roman Catholic Mary to be of interest:<br />http://watchmansbagpipes.blogspot.com/2010/06/mary-mother-of-church-is-not-mary-of.html<br /><br />There appears to have been a sequence of events leading to the idea for this dogma. First, she is the "Mother of God." Then, since according to Romanist ideology sexual relations are somehow "icky," Mary had to remain a virgin or her body would be tainted. So once they made Mary the "mother of God," and "pure" sexually, then she had to have been conceived without sin or she would be tainted and unable to bear the Savior. This ended up leading to the Assumption - the teaching that she was so holy and sinless that she never died but was assumed directly to heaven. This all leads to the almost dogma (but being taught unofficially) that Mary is a co-redemptrix and co-mediator with Jesus. A long chain of false teaching making Mary into a god.Glenn E. Chatfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04117405535707961903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2246295430976433070.post-79053685929258331252016-12-12T08:26:09.651-07:002016-12-12T08:26:09.651-07:00I misunderstood the Roman Catholic concept of &quo...I misunderstood the Roman Catholic concept of "Immaculate Conception" myself, failing to realize that it was a reference to Mary being "immaculate" (sinless), not to being a virgin. As it turns out <b>Mary herself</b> disagrees with their assessment when she says, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior." (Luke 1:46-47) No sinless person needs a savior.<br /><br />However, I should point out, when you said, "'Original sin' is a construct of the Catholic church, there is no scriptural support for the concept," you may find genuine, Bible-believing, reliable Christians who would disagree with you on that. The likes of John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, John Piper, even Jonathan Edwards all teach it. (See, for instance, http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-biblical-evidence-for-original-sin) Just pointing that out. It makes no difference to the error of "Immaculate Conception".Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523232247971115247noreply@blogger.com